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Some Things I Just Don’t Grok*

Some Things I Just Don’t Grok*

If we’re pursuing clergy for decades-old acts of pedophilia, which I believe we should, and are trying to pursue actions against superiors who shielded or transferred them, which I think we should, then why, exactly, wouldn’t we want to pursue similar heinous charges against Roman Polanski? Because he’s a movie director? Because he successfully evaded the law for 30 years?

When David Letterman was constantly mocking the transgressions of Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky, or John Edwards, or dozens of others (whose acts were reprehensible), was he concurrently having illicit relationships with his own staff members? Should we forgive him when he didn’t forgive the others and used them for comic relief, because he’s a television talk show host?

Some things I just don’t grok….

* See Heinlein’s A Stranger in A Strange Land if you’re not grokking this, either.

© Alan Weiss 2009. All rights reserved.

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Alan Weiss is a consultant, speaker, and author of over 60 books. His consulting firm, Summit Consulting Group, Inc., has attracted clients from over 500 leading organizations around the world.

Comments: 13

  • Roberta Matuson

    October 3, 2009

    I’m still trying to figure out why the headlines are all about extortion, with little mention of sexual harassment. Seems Letterman has done a great job of spinning this. Wonder if Bill Reilly is paying close attention.

  • Alan Weiss

    October 3, 2009

    I’m wondering why we haven’t heard from the women involved.

  • Danielle Keister

    October 6, 2009

    Aren’t we jumping to conclusions here? We don’t know the details. We don’t know that any sexual harassment has occurred. We don’t know who was involved nor what the circumstances were. We’re just the lewd public making things up in our own heads.

    Plus, the guy has been decidedly single since forever. I don’t know how long he’s been with the mother of his son, but he only recently got married. He’s just a celebrity; heck, he’s just a man, not a saint. What on earth do we have to forgive him for? That he’s a man who has had sex with women? That’s crazy.

    Here’s Letterman’s extortion monologue in case anyone missed it:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVC3HohP8o4&feature=related

  • Alan Weiss

    October 7, 2009

    You do know the details. A boss had sex with subordinates. That’s a hostile environment. He pokes fun at the very transgressions he’s committed. You must be kidding. He’s a hypocrite. He’s had sex with subordinates. If you feel that’s fine, then your ethical compass isn’t aligned with true north.

  • Danielle Keister

    October 7, 2009

    How do you know he had sex with his subordinates? That it was harassment and not consensual? Where did I miss those details?

    That’s a bunch of BS… my not judging him to have done anything wrong (at least not without knowing the entire REAL story) in no way indicates that my compass isn’t aligned with true north.

  • Alan Weiss

    October 7, 2009

    He admitted having sex with women who worked for him. That constitutes harassment: sex with people over whom you have managerial control. What’s wrong with you? He’s admitted to this. And you don’t address the point about his extreme hypocrisy: This is the very thing he pokes fun at others about. Now he does it. Maybe you think there’s nothing wrong with this, that’s your prerogative, but I think your compass is out of whack, sorry.

  • Danielle Keister

    October 7, 2009

    How interesting to see you edit your original comment and delete mine. That’s says something to me, Alan.

    And speaking of hypocritical (and I’m sure you will feel compelled to delete this as well), I seem to recall you chastising others often about ad hominem attacks when you, yourself, don’t seem to be above them.

    I must say I’m disappointed. But that of course if of no matter. We all know, since you make a point of it quite often, that what others think is not of much interest to you.

  • Danielle Keister

    October 7, 2009

    There’s nothing wrong with me. What’s wrong with you?

    I watched the same monologue. He didn’t admit to having sex with subordinates. He admitted to “having sex with women” and women that worked there. When did he say they were subordinates? When did he say he coerced them? We don’t know the true facts. All we know is that he was poking fun at an extortion attempt.

    Beyond any of that, if anyone was sexually harassed, it’s incumbent upon the victim to bring claim. That’s what we have the justice system for. Granted, it may not always work well, but that doesn’t make extortion acceptable.

  • Roberta Matuson

    October 7, 2009

    Danielle,

    David Letterman is Chairman of WorldWide Pants. http://biz.yahoo.com/ic/107/107309.html

    That makes everyone that works for him a subordinate, which as Alan points out is harassment.

    As part of my practice, I am often asked to conduct investigations of harassment in the workplace. In this case, we do know the true facts as Letterman has admitted having sexual relationships with employees. Doesn’t matter if he is married or single. This is different than the Bill O’Reilly case, where Bill denied this ever happened with the producer that charged him with harassment. That case was rumored to settle in the millions.

    Roberta

  • Alan Weiss

    October 7, 2009

    I didn’t delete anything! What the heck are you talking about, and why are you so vehement in defending Letterman?

    If he didn’t do anything wrong, why is he apologizing all over the place, including to his wife, since this occurred before the marriage? Why is he doing that if it was fine and dandy?

    But why are you so angry about this bizarre episode? And stop accusing me of fantasies: I have not deleted a thing here, nor substituted anything. I’m allowing you to rant, because you’re doing more damage to your position than I ever could!

    I don’t mind a good debate, but you’re the one who is taking this on some kind of personal mission. It’s incumbent upon the victim?? You have a very different world view of behavior and of hypocrisy than I do, it’s a simple as that.

  • Danielle Keister

    October 7, 2009

    Wow! I am shocked and saddened. You are a liar, Alan. Maybe no one else will know it, but I now know it.

    First, I’m not defending Letterman. I don’t know what he did or didn’t do. That absolutely can’t be clear to anyone based on his monologue. What I’m defending is the idea that people shouldn’t rush to judgment on things they simply don’t have all the true and complete facts about. How on earth can you condemn someone based on nothing more than a monologue? And who cares if he’s a hypocrite? He’s not the pope and he’s not the president.

    And by the way, I hate to break it do you, but he IS a comedian after all. Of course, he is going to poke fun at others as well as his current situation. That’s his JOB.

    You most certainly did delete my original response. You know it and I know it. When I first posted, it was 9:06 pm PT (my time). About an hour and a half later, you responded at 1:17 am ET (your time).

    Since I was sitting right at my computer, I responded with the 5th comment, except that the time I originally posted it was about 10:34 pm PT and this is what was on the screen.

    What it looks like from here is that you decided to change your strategy. Instead of censoring, you decided to re-edit your comments and re-add mine back into the thread (you’ll note that all my comments after #5 are now in your own time zone instead of mine, which is 3 hours behind you) in an attempt to make me look bad and you better.

    What I find bizarre is someone I thought of as a mentor and hero stooping to such juvenile, pedestrian behavior because the commentary didn’t agree with his (and perhaps showed him to be a bit smaller minded than he would prefer).

    Oh, and it’s 9:12 am Pacific Time now where I am 😉

  • Alan Weiss

    October 7, 2009

    I think you’re emotionally disturbed. I deleted nothing. I don’t care enough about this debate about David Letterman to even begin to tell you how overwrought and hysterical you are. Repost what you think I deleted. I did NOTHING, because this isn’t important enough, nor is your ranting.

    I’m in California on business. Calling me names and accusing me of lying is pretty pathetic, but you seem absolutely irrational over Letterman. I didn’t delete this, did I? Or do you want to visit the world clock in cuckoo land?

  • Simon

    October 8, 2009

    Danielle,

    I think you may have missed the point.

    Alan asked, was he concurrently having illicit relationships with his own staff members?

    If this is the case, this is hypocrisy! Not to mention, it is more likely than less likely to be sexual harrasment! Perhaps not ethically (depending where you stand on this issue) but definitely by generally accepted definition.

    Don’t really want to keep this debate going, just thought it needed clarifying.

    Cheers.

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